British and Irish anarchists on London bombings

by p Fri Jul 08, 2005 01:25

This Class War statement is hilarious. Hey Class War, maybe there were rich people on those tubes and on the tourist buses. Have you developed a barometer yet for measuring who's allowed to die in your "good" (ie. "class") war?

by neo Fri Jul 08, 2005 05:01

rich people are found in SUVs and in mansions and in luxury cars. rich people can also be found in areas highly protected.

by p Fri Jul 08, 2005 05:20

You can get a used SUV for a couple grand. Those are the "rich" people you're advocating killing (?!) -- and as part of an anarchist politics?! Gimme a break!
Actually, it's not just your *poor judgment* of *who* "the rich" *actually are* that nauseats me. It's the "Kill Rich People" line altogether (put forth by Class War) because it's genocidal, and all anarchists should proudly oppose it, if not, they/we become apologists for authoritarianism and mass violence. Please leave that out of anarchism.

by oliver - capital terminus Fri Jul 08, 2005 13:17

class enemies are not in their position because of identity, they are there because of actions - ongoing actions which they could stop at any time. but so long as they have not stopped, they are actively contributing to the oppression and exploitation of people around the world.

by Andrew - Anarkismo Fri Jul 08, 2005 19:02

As social anarchists and libertarian communists, we deplore the horrific attacks on innocent people this morning in London. We express our deepest sympathy to anyone affected by the blasts. We condemn the use of violence against ordinary people and the perpetrators of the bombings whether they be Islamists or anyone else.

Terrorist actions are completely at odds with any struggle for a freer, fairer society and never help oppressed people in any part of the globe. Instead violence against civilians is a tool of states and proto-states every bit as brutal as the ones they profess to oppose.

The British Government, by sending British soldiers to kill and die in Iraq and Afghanistan has made all of us a target for terrorists in their pursuit of increased profit and power at the expense of ordinary working people.

We stand for a world in which human solidarity and co-operation replace the quest for profit as society's driving force, and stand in solidarity with all people fighting exploitation and oppression in all its forms, from opponents to the occupation of Iraq here, to those in Iraq who are opposing both the occupying forces and the ultra-reactionary Islamists the Occupation helps strengthen.

Our thoughts today are with the victims of this atrocity, and their loved ones.

Statement Signed by (so far):
Libcom.org Group
Anarchist Federation
IAF-IFA Secretariat
Class War
Colchester Solidarity Group
West Midlands Anarchists
Burnley Voice
Ipswich Anarchists
Norwich Anarchists
Freedom Newspaper
Preston Solidarity Federation
Red Party

by p Fri Jul 08, 2005 19:44

Yes, class is a structure, in which particular groups play roles within -- often different roles even within the same "class" (of which, venture capitalists play very different roles than inheritors -- who are both "rich people"). Not sure that it's so easy to be a class trader, to just drop out of a class. And if one can, does that make on revolutionary? I don't think so. The attempt to figure "who" is of the capitalist class is only a bad justification for groups like Class War to figure out who is a justifiable target of violence. THAT is NOT revolutionary action, unless one is a Stalinist.

by Nestor - Anarkismo Fri Jul 08, 2005 23:27

This statement in Italian:

by Manuel Baptista - Luta social Sat Jul 09, 2005 00:29 luta_social at sapo dot pt

Some 'leftists' (not anarchists) are always saying that the terrorist bombings in Irak or in other countries are the expression of anger from the oppressed people in these countries.
This position is not only wrong, it is also counter-revolutionary!

by Jason Brannigan - Organise! Sun Jul 10, 2005 01:19 organiseireland at yahoo dot ie PO Box 505, Belfast, BT12 6BQ

Organise! and the Just Books Collective in Belfast are also signatories to this statement.

by revol68 Sun Jul 10, 2005 22:26

Have Organise and Just Books been cut off the list of signatures cos that would imply a rejection of republican teology? Organise has signed Irish and UK statements in the past and I would imagine continue to do so.

by john - libcom.org Sun Jul 10, 2005 22:41

no they weren't cut off - anarkismo put up the statement before organise and just books were added to it by libcom

by jason brannigan - Organise! Mon Jul 11, 2005 01:42 organiseireland at yahoo dot ie

Thats a bit paranoid revol68 isn't it?

You can't really blame people for rushing off and posting something as this before the list was complete can you? Ask libcom how come it took so long to add the names of Organise! and Just Books to the list when an Organise! member suggested getting the statement endorsed and issued publicly by anarchist groups and organisations. But then I doubt there's a conspiracy there either mate.

Could the Britsh Anarchists bit be changed to British and Irish Anarchists in the title though? As the statement has been endorsed by both British and Irish Anarchists. Indymedia Ireland have already made this correction.

In solidarity;

Jason Brannigan
for Organise!

by Andrew - Anarkismo Mon Jul 11, 2005 18:55

OK I updated the statements in the main article. I left it unchanged in the comment version so people can understand what the comment discussion is about.

by Jason Brannigan - Organise! Mon Jul 11, 2005 23:20 organiseireland at yahoo dot ie PO Box 505, Belfast, BT12 6BQ

Thank you.

In Solidarity;

Jason