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Shoot to kill madness in Australia and draconian laws

category indonesia / philippines / australia | imperialism / war | other libertarian press author Saturday October 29, 2005 09:42author by unknown Report this post to the editors

Taken from an article in Melbourne Indymedia

The Howard Government wants to give police power to shoot to kill.

The Howard Government wants to give police executing preventative detention orders the power to shoot to kill. This is shoot to kill madness. State and territory leaders are starting to back away from these powers, but the Federal Government is refusing to back down. We have an important opportunity to stop these provisions before they even get to Parliament.

The power to shoot to kill is considered the last resort for police exercising their power to arrest suspects they reasonably believe have committed a crime. The Howard Government now wants to significantly extend this power.

The Howard Government wants police to also have this power when they are detaining someone under the authority of a preventative detention order, even though these orders can be issued against persons that the police do not believe are terrorists.

This is shoot to kill madness. The president of the NSW Law Society, John McIntyre, told ABC Radio that police would be able to obtain a preventative detention order «without a person being reasonably suspected of committing of an offence». According to Mr McIntyre;

«If the [police] are armed with one of these [orders] ... and if this person attempts to flee the arrest, he can be shot and fatally shot ... The police might knock on the door and [the person] might leg it out the back door without even being told why the police are there, and under these provisions they can be called on to stop and if they don’t stop, they can be shot».

Three law professors from the Australian national university recently wrote that proposed shoot to kill powers «have echoes of the shoot to kill’ policy in the United Kingdom, which lead to the fatal shooting by police of innocent commuter Jean Chalres De Menezes in July 2005».

Restrictive laws are not In the National Interest. Preventive detention orders made, on the balance of probabilities, with the onus on the defendant to prove they no nothing is repugnant to common law. The penalty of an order for a period of 12 months and until further notice with restrictions of xxx, undermines common sense and general communication. The period can be extended, after the first 12-months lapses, this should ring ‘alarm bells’.

Preventive detention has already been made in New South Wales (NSW) and defeated by the High Court under the provisions of the Community Protection Act 1994. No one can predict the future.

On that basis the laws are flawed and draconian. Some people will be prevented from fundamental principals like communication and no longer be able to use Internet, phone, fax etc.

Dragging sedition into anti-terror legislation is draconian and people being sent to prison for speaking out is cheating our democracy. Rights I believe you should oppose.

Some people will be prevented from reporting on matters of importance because of their fears, but it is everyone’s right to report. Preventing people from communicating with other people about what happened or the degree in relation to the circumstances is sinister. The community must report and there ought to be no restriction on their reporting.

People in a civilised society cannot just drop off the map. They could even be prevented from answering their mail? Out of sight out of mind! These laws smell of countering dissent.

But like fire, air, and water all communication belongs to the community and cannot be bought or sold. Otherwise personal expression, safety, consideration and education are also undermined. Human beings must share ideas otherwise people could end up making ill informed decisions.

Shoot to kill without a just defense is an illegal and degrading form of authority.

Isolation in AAA Supermax can also kill you in 14 days. Similarly to being placed from a very warm climate into a chilling experience, this is so damaging to the human psych. Those people may never recover from that experience. Clean skins who’ve never been to a prison being held with the ‘worst of the worst’ for the ‘first time’ is disturbing and ‘distorting’ the communities understanding of the difference between knowing ‘right’ from ‘wrong’.

Domestic violence and general violence can ultimately lead to war and terrorism.

‘The punishment is the crime for a world without violence’. That is the root of preventing domestic violence, wars and terrorism.

Shooting to kill is one thing and going to prison in AAA conditions is another and I implore you to think again and change your mind for the sake of the whole community.

You have been so lucky to have lived in a freer democracy until it has now come to your turn to make a decision for NSW. On that basis we don’t think that you could possibly let your people down.

Being locked up in solitary can lead to a person feeling alienated and confinement can lead to a human beings premature death, just as a bullet in the head would kill you, so too can solitary confinement.

The big terror news is all about the federal dictatorship telling us that the intention of the Shoot-To-Kill policy was not to shoot you in the back if you ran from the police terror squad. And the States declaring they did not sign up for it. But that is not what this diversion tactic is about. It’s about convincing you to eat the rest of the draconian laws because you were saved from the worst?

author by adele pacepublication date Fri Nov 04, 2005 22:59author email adelepace7 at hotmail dot comauthor address author phone 95699353Report this post to the editors

Preventive detention is anathema to any society that purports to call itself a democracy. Laws motivated by punishing crimes inspired by political motives just invite the punishment of ideas that don't find favour with the establishment. This Government's suite of draconian laws proves what a dangerous regime it is. Forget Magna Carta, forget whatever little respect for liberty we have in this country. History will judge this 'western liberal political democracy' harshly.

The new surveillance state will lead to a permanent underclass with welfare services delivered on a for profit basis and an industrialised prison complex (cheap labour).

The Victorian Government already has an appalling track record in the lethal use of force on prisoners, and other members of our society. The Govenment is peddling fear and a populist agenda of law and order as a cheap political stunt.

It is disgusting, and there is no other political party other than the minority parties to hold them to account.

author by Charles - Un-employed Americanpublication date Mon Dec 12, 2005 03:46author email navydog7 at sbcglobal dot netauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

When I typed that phrase into the google search engine I was expecting to see the uptic on the beach dis-order(s.)

When two Lebanese can go about and attack some partiers on an Australian beach
the way they did it boggles this bloke's mind.

Consider this, If these Lebanese were structured to do what they did to make Australians fight with their first responders imagine what would happen if the Ninth Circuit District of my nation's legal system ironically permitted the California Governor the opprotunity to speak of reprieve and do it and cause the similar response to occur between Crip victims and the police here.

Or worse yet, not give clemencey and cause a riot between gang members and the general public as Williams is executed?

Wow, what a thought.

I sure am glad Al Queada isn't behind any of this.

 
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